bill clinton had handed off the foundations being named so he could spend full time running on hillary's campaign. lining up support with labor unions and big donors and people who get out the vote. and it's going to be a massive campaign and i think that what we saw in virginia with terry mcauliffe and the negative campaign is a precursor of what the campaign will be for hillary. >> you think you will be that nasty? >> yes, i do. the attack ads that were rolling out of their, is a very strategically important win for the democrats, particularly for the clinton party. >> it reminds me of the spanish civil war and when the germans bombed the spanish as a sort of precursor to the bigger war that was coming up and i think that this was a pea cusor to the 2016 race. >> and who do you think the formidable opponent will be? joe biden keeps saying that he's interested in that truly is not a serious idea, is that? >> in his mind it is very serious. he's been to iowa and new hampshire and south carolina, three of the key primary states. he is raising and trying to raise money and i'm told by the